Thursday, August 16, 2012

On Rape Culture: "SHUT THE FUCK UP, BITCH!"

[update & update III below]

[update II]
I compiled  a single PDF of all the tweets I got (so far) over this--it's 97 pages long and about 12,500 words total. Taking out the extraneous twitter buttons and whatnot I'm betting it's still probably around 10,000+ words from the tweets (and their owners' names) themselves. Some are missing since I was blocking many of these dudes before I decided to start saving them, but this is the overwhelming majority. You can find a MS word doc version here[/update II]

So I had dozens and dozens of people tweet rape/death/violence threats at me today, all over these two podcasts, and call me a cunt, a whore, a bitch, a whiner, to get my head out of my ass, the stick out of my ass, etc. so on and so forth. Jamie Kilstein of Citizen Radio was on Joe Rogan's podcast the other night and they ended up having a long argument about Rape Culture, and whether million upon millions of women have or do get raped in their life-times (like, cause it's a common thing to just lie about...).

Rogan played the role of your typical Rape Apologist jackass in this little episode by diverting the coversation like it's all about "Free Speech" or how Not All Guys Are Like That or Look, Everyone Hates Rape, BUT... Today it all started when I tweeted this to Joe Rogan:
 So much solidarity over all that bullshit. I can't believe I listened to or  for this long. 
That was at roughly 11:30 am this morning. Joe Rogan retweeted that without comment and that, my friends, is when the fun truly began.

Let make this clear if you're one of the hundreds of lucky folks to come to my blog because I said something mildly unfavorable about Joe Rogan on twitter [and it made you want to say angry things to me:]
FUCK YOU, YOU IGNORANT JACKASS RAPE-APOLOGIZING-MISOGYNISTIC-CREEPER-MOTHERFUCKERS

I hope a feminist you know (and who may not be of the lady persuasion) saw what you tweeted today and badmouths you to everyone you know and you never get laid again. I hope they spray paint "Rape Apologist" on your front door and your car and your boss' car. I  hope the next time one of you proto-rapists creeps on a woman she sticks a knife between your godsdamned ribs and breaks the fucking handle off.

A fraction of the gems I got today:
"@phillyslice99:
@laurenalesia @jamiekilstein get over yourselves, it was a joke you silly bitch""@Bartlebee420:   of all alleged rapes, 50% are women crying wolf to make themselves feel better about being a slut "


"@thetimmalone:
@laurenalesia Rape culture is when a whore lies about being raped. Guy gets sent to jail. Whore admits she lied. Nothing happens to her""

"@Jretribe: @jamiekilstein Rape is only funny when done to people who call themselves RADICAL FEMINISTS"

@laurenalesia YOUR SO PHUCKING UGLY U MAKE ME SICK U STUPID FEMINAZI KEEP YOUR CUNT SHUT NO ONE CARES ABOUT U #BLACKBRIGADE GO FUK YER MOM"

Oh and if anyone wants to get involved by say, going to any of those persons' twitters and ruining their lives, or notifying their loved-ones/friends/employers that they're rape-loving, rape-threatening asshats, by all means, you have my fucking blessing. Gods' speed to you.

And here are some wonderful quotes from users of Joe Rogan's forums for the episode that had Jamie on:

I don't want to say anything bad about Joe's friend, but Jamie is a fucking cunt. Dude has serious ego issues. Wtf is rape culture? Like a bunch of rapists get together and live a rapist lifestyle where they rape people and pray to a rape god? Get fucking real you cunt. Jamie acts like guys never get raped. Imagine the stigma of coming out and admitting you got raped by a man when you're a young boy. I want to call out a lot of the shit he said, but the rape culture thing was the most absurd. He seems like he wants attention and he seems totally fucking bat shit insane because he refuses to listen to logic. This was the worst podcast I have listened to. It gave me a shameful feeling after listening to it."
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Guy [Kilstein] says he's anti-censorship, yet says comedians shouldn't talk about certain subjects. My point: it doesn't matter how serious a subject it is. A joke can be in poor taste or ineffective in stirring up the right emotions in the audience, but no one should ever discourage that comedian from saying what they want to say. 

Btw, I'm not trying to be a douchebag right now...but let's face it, that guy is just itching for some cock in his mouth. Dude talks like my fucking sister"
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"Also, this bullshit about how women are scared to report rape? There are plenty of measures put in place to ensure sexual predators are dealt with properly. The emergence of DNA testing has given victims increased leverage in court and afforded them a higher probability that their attacker will be caught."
DNA testing doesn't mean shit when the victim doesn't ever go to the police because she has "authority issues".

 So Joe Rogan obviously knew what was going to happen when he retweeted my mild criticism. He is well aware of who some of his followers are and how the operate when people criticize him. I'll update and post more later or tomorrow but this has been a strange experience and a strange day. I've never been on the receiving end of such a massive torrent of Internet Hate, especially around just being a woman and a feminist.

I'm tired and adrenalined out for today. I'll be more intellectual (not that I really should have to be, or need to be about any of this) tomorrow, I suppose.

[update]

The comments below are pretty fun, with lots of anon bro-dudes (presumably with lots of internalized shame, misogyny and heavily-denied Kinsey variance) telling me I should have said what I said here or on twitter, that I'm dumb (or my blog is dumb) or that I'm a silly bitch. Also present are the guys who think they're being Reasonable by telling me "Don't go to comedy clubs if you don't want to have the famous, powerful comic threaten you with rape."

First of all, this ain't about that, clods; no one is preventing Tosh from speaking, but you all are trying desperately to make sure that no one criticizes him for what he said. Exhibit 1-999999 are you tweets at me, Kilstein, your comments here and elsewhere and all the rape apologizing you're doing.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, to those who keep claiming that Rape Culture isn't realy: Thank you for proving my point by doing everything you can on the internet to tell me to go away and stop threatening your very fragile self-image. Take a moment for yourself to just look at what went down, and whether or not you'd feel the same way if I was your girlfriend, or your sister, or mother.

There's a reason this post has the title it has. Think about it.

[update III] 
My gratitude for participating in an important study of social-cultural dynamics and their interplay with herd mentality. Thanks for playing, chump(s).

126 comments:

  1. welcome to the internet.

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  2. Thanks, I had NO IDEA that anonymous people could be fuckwads on teh intertwebs, because I was born yesterday.

    But because it happens I should just be OK with it, I guess...

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  3. Calling Rogan a "rape apologist" is a bit much. The Tosh joke started listing all the reasons rape is NOT funny, then the (um) nice lady interrupted "Rape is never funny", to which Tosh made his unfortunate "5 guys" remark. But to stand up for absolute freedom on a comedy stage is what Rogan was doing (& fwiw, seemingly most comedians (Patton Oswalt, etc) backed that "absolute freedom" concept). YES, in this context Tosh's off-the-cuff retort was irresponsible, but calling a man a rape apologist is in my opinion just as irresponsible (especially one as seemingly moral as Rogan).
    & to be frank, saying "I can't believe I listened to Rogan & Redban for so long" is NOT "mild criticism". To me that's akin to calling someone a hypocrite & a fraud, as if you've been duped. How many times did Rogan say "Yes, rape is a horrible thing" during that podcast?Many, by my count.
    I REALLY feel for you today---but the fact that "dozens & dozens" of freaks disobeyed/ignored Rogan's general treatise of "Be Nice", out of 500,000+ listeners per episode---to me does not paint nor tar a movement. When I saw Joe retweet your commentary, I saw it as giving a balanced view, including a criticism of him. It very well may not have been meant as that, & as you said, it did unleash a hoarde of asses, & he should know the power he has now (i.e., ANY movement/group will have a certain percentage of awful people).
    Finally, when I dip a toe on his message board, he takes the time to *lambaste* dumb, aggressive posters...so I hope he addresses this fairly horrific thing today in a similar manner. I will be disappointed if he does not.
    Godspeed.

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    1. Everything about a feminist is "a bit much". Highly irrational over emotional beings who seem to have a lack of personal responsibility.

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    2. Over-emotional? That why you're SOMAD at feminism?

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  4. Yea Internet hate can be intense. The trick is not to catch feelings by writing a blog about it. But you did and then called for more Internet hate upon your haters.

    On the Internet there is a term, a term most people are oblivious of, 'trolling'. It means saying something you don't mean just to get a rise out of somebody.

    You done been trolled breh. The Internet wins, you lose.


    You could have written this and come out as a intelligent critic. But you quotes

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    1. "Don't feed the trolls" is not a helpful piece of advice in this case. It's just enabling the trolls' silencing tactic to do it's thing. You should watch this: http://tinyurl.com/9np94jg

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    2. trolls want to be fed... if you don't response, they can no longer troll.

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    3. Not responding doesn't work in a feminist fantasy because they believe you are trying to silence their woman roars.

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    4. Its not trolling as much as its a case of internet bullying. And what about the word "feminism" scares you pathetic men so much that your penis shrivels and you keep feeling the need to attack it? Fragile self-image much?

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  5. Your shitty blog site won't let me edit my comment or ficking backspace

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  6. I really think you should reconsider where you stand on all of this.

    The entire context of the situation makes you out to be in the wrong but you aren't seeing it. Don't go to a comedy show, especially when someone like Daniel Tosh is performing, and act like you dictate what can be said and what can't be said. Who the fuck are you to say what's okay and what isn't okay? Were it your show or if this happened in any other situation then I could understand.

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    1. Who the fuck are you to tell someone where they should or should not go?

      See what I did there? So, it's completely acceptable for you to tell someone they shouldn't go to a public venue, however for them to say rape jokes aren't funny... THAT'S JUST PLAIN WRONG! You are a hypocrite.

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    2. You are close, but not right on. He is saying don't go to Tosh because Tosh is a famous comedian and you probably know what you are getting into if you go there. He's not saying you can't go, he's saying don't go and then get hurt by what you already knew was going to happen. I'm a vegetarian, but I'm not gonna go into a steakhouse and talk about how gross the seared flesh is. If she hated what he said, she should realize she is in a place that's not for her and just leave. If she's a feminist, Tosh shouldn't go to a feminist rally she's speaking at and bug her about rape. Each person has 'their' audience, and all the spectators should be respectful of that. Also, have the brains to not call out a dirty comic. I can't stand Fox News talking heads because they cut off their guests and don't let them talk. I can't go on there, then bitch that I was interrupted.

      Long story short: he's not a hypocrite. He just didn't take the time to lay out the long version of what he is saying.

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  7. Why have such a blanket fuck you (a very colorful one at that) for any Joe Rogan listeners who find their way to your blog? It's warranted for the people who tweeted their own insults to you but to be fair that's a pretty small portion of them, not all Rogan fans are like that. It seems a bit unproductive and unfair to generalize to such an extreme. Even Jamie Kilstein (still?) likes Joe Rogan.

    A lot of the Rogan listeners come to this issue basically as stand up comedy fans, not all (probably pretty few) are even aware of feminist theory or rape culture and have likely never heard of it before, so the free speech part of the issue seems much more prominent to them. Fans of more offensive and extreme comedians like Tosh and Rogan especially are unlikely to equate a joke with a real cultural, social or political stance most of the time. They're probably used to humor that employs the most shocking and absurd ideas and images possible to get a laugh, they won't assume that the comedian always agrees with the things they joke about. Even if their first reaction is to defend the joke, it doesn't necessarily make them rape apologists. Being a rape-joke apologist isn't always the same thing for someone who doesn't see a connection between rape as a reality and rape related humor.

    Most people will probably not see an immediate connection between rape in reality and humor. Jamie said that when he was more absorbed in the comedy world than he was in the progressive world, his outlook was much the same as Rogan's, and he admitted that there was a time not all that long ago when he probably would have defended Tosh's joke himself. He talked about how he was completely unaware of things like trigger warnings and rape culture before he went and read about them specifically. Comedy was what he knew and surrounded himself with, so that was what informed his outlook. People not well versed in feminism or progressive thought in general aren't going to make the jump from rape jokes to real rape, but I don't think that means they would knowingly support actual rape. People who are uninitiated like Jamie was aren't bad people just because they are uninitiated in a particular type of theory, everyone has to be at some point.

    It's a shame the podcast didn't go differently because there could have been some really constructive discussion. The first time someone is introduced to the idea of rape culture like Rogan was, by being told that you are a part of it and that you are engaging in it right now can seem very hostile. Adding the freedom of speech issue to that, which is always a very touchy one for comedians, it's a recipe for disaster. Rogan later apologized for yelling at Jamie and shouting over him and not hearing his argument out. I don't think he looks at it like "I was being a part of rape culture" but he does see that he was wrong by being hostile and unfair towards someone because they were on the other side of an issue. I hope Kilstein will be back on the podcast sometime and hopefully a more constructive conversation can be had, but I wouldn't say that Rogan and his fans (not all of his fans anyway, some certainly deserve it) should be called rape apologists.

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    1. This was a really well-written and thoughtful response, however, just to note, she actually wasn't targetting all his fans with this. She specifically stated "Let make this clear if you're one of the hundreds of lucky folks to come to my blog because I said something mildly unfavorable about Joe Rogan on twitter [and it made you want to say angry things to me:]"

      You've just demonstrated perfectly though that reasonable people (which you show yourself to be) can get triggered and even misread what happened or how it was slanted. Something to keep in mind with all discussions of heated topics.

      Man I wish more discussion on the internet want the way you're demonstrating above.

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    2. Ok...so its all about the right of the comedian..champions of free speech and matters in life not to be taken seriously. Say, why isnt there any jokes around about 9/11? There should definitely be more jokes about the holocaust, its like a huge pot brimming with "hilarious" racial jokes that comedy fans will find no link to with reality and be obtusely happy just for being amused.

      As a society we have become so desensitized to violence and harassment and injustice, that not only will we not hesitate about making jokes about something like "rape" but bully those who dare to speak up. Labeling this oh-so famous Rogan guy as a "rape apologist" seems distasteful to you but I wonder what your response would've been if he had defended making jokes about hurtful issues...say...like the mass school shootings that's spread like a plague in the West? Since comedians got the free reign...why not just go all way...

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  8. I remember my first day on the internet. I too was sooooooo mad.

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    1. Ah, dismissal, what a sneaky little trick used by weaklings so they don't have to address the issue at hand.

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  9. The term feminism is sexist. Do I label myself a "Masculinist"

    How about being a "Humanist"? Woman are not victims all the time. They can be victimizers. Men don't hang out & talk about who they want rape & how much fun rape is & what cunts woman are.

    There are funny, smart men & woman that are cool to hang out with. If you are upset that men find woman attractive then take that up with biology & nature.

    Male or Female who ever writes this blog is an idiot.

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    1. YES WHAT ABOUT THE MANZ, WE MUST HELP ALL THE OPPRESSED MANZ WITH A MASCULINIST MOVEMENT

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    2. Sounds just as ridiculous like this:

      YES WHAT ABOUT THE WOMENZ, WE MUST HELP ALL THE OPPRESSED WOMENZ WITH A FEMINIST MOVEMENT

      No one is being oppressed because of their gender. Notice how he is not gender biased like you are being? We're all individuals, it's time you feminists dust off your personal responsibility and see things in that light.

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    3. Right and yet even though statistically studies have proven over and over that false case registration is the same for all crimes, men still whine about how most women "lie" about rape. We still have many countries where children are murdered or sold because they are women. And we still have men who are so scared of strong women that they attack the term "feminism" blindly. And the world is already a "masculinist" world, to use your vocabulary.

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  10. See where I said it was to the people who came here because I was CRITICAL of Joe Rogan? Yeah, fuck you people, go die.


    To the rest of you apologist assholes, what you're doing right now--anonymously telling me to STFU, that is the shit this post is about. You're all very, very dumb.

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    1. Anyone who didn't know about you before Joe retweeted your criticism is technically here because you were critical of Joe, but we're not all trying to be assholes to you. Not everyone even disagrees with your criticism, Rogan even seems to agree himself, hence his apology.

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    2. Can you link that apology? Also, that is a fair point if only a semantic distinction.

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    3. He wrote an apology post in the thread you cited above.

      http://forums.joerogan.net/showpost.php?p=10393330&postcount=2030

      He apologized in more depth during the most recent podcast (#255 with Duncan Trussell), he legitimately seems sorry for having been so angry at him. The replay hasn't been uploaded yet, and I can't remember at which point exactly they started rehashing the Kilstein argument (rough estimate I'd say about half way?) but he talks about why he was so aggressive, and even mentions other ways in which he sides with feminists, even though he still disagrees with them about rape jokes.

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    4. no one is telling you to shut up. half are trolls. the other half are giving their opinions and happen to disagree. i don't see how disagreeing with you is telling you to shut up? obviously if this were in person it would be clear (the long responses you have received) that people are trying to have a conversation .

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    5. Well first, that isn't an apology to me. Second this isn't about people's "feelings," it's about a culture (American culture) that supports, condones and emboldens wide-spread sexual assault.

      It's not that some people are triggered when a comic makes a hack "joke" about how funny it would be if a bunch of guys raped her right then and there (LOL!).

      It is that he and many other people, like you guys, think that that is a joke, and that it'd be funny when it's a very real, on-going decades-long (probably centuries, more accurately) crisis of inequality and violence against women to promote and maintain oppressive systems of inequality and subservience.

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    6. To second anon: how many of these comments are telling me I'm a stuck up bitch/cunt? Those people aren't trying to shut me up? Are you particularly slow?

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    7. True, he didn't apologize for retweeting you, but because he did apologize for his behavior towards Kilstein, I took that to mean that his retweet of your criticism was actually sincere and not intended to produce the storm of insulting tweets you received, which really were beyond his control. I can't say that I know exactly why he retweeted you obviously, but I really doubt that he wanted you to get rape threats because you criticized the podcast.

      Even for those who recognize that there is culturally engendered violence against women in the world, the connection between real violence and violence in humor is not always very concrete.

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    8. The only way what you're saying could be true would be fore Joe to be a whole lot less intelligent than he appears to be. He knows how the internet and twitter works, he's commented on this type of thing happening in twitter before (and encouraged it against some folks).

      He knew damn well what would happen. If he didn't want that to happen he could have tweeted at me and started a conversation, but he just retweeted w/o comment which is, in direct effect, a "Go Get This Person" tweet.

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    9. it isn't that hard to figure out. they know these words will make you mad. that is why they say them. trolls don't want people to shut up. they want people to talk more, so they can troll more. they don't give a shit. they are laughing that someone got mad at some random on the internet.

      i read some of the tweets and some were not that bad. no use of bad words. one said that you are probably cool with this situation aside and you wished that their tires were slashed. why is it when a man says it, it's being a rape apologist, yet you are allowed to wish violence on others? although you could be trolling. if not, it is a double standard.

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    10. Yes, obviously there will always be some people who want to troll and fuck with someone online for amusement, especially over a controversial issue (rape jokes) and I'm sure he knows that, but I honestly don't think he expected or wanted all of that shit, especially threats, to come down on you to that extent. I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating him.

      But even if he knew that people would come after you to some degree, I sincerely doubt he really wishes ill on you, and I'm definitely sure that he isn't a rape apologist, even though he is a rape-joke apologist (I know through the lens of rape culture those two are seen as one and the same, but there really are legitimate, non-misogynistic reasons to defend jokes, even jokes that center around an abhorrent reality).

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    11. This trope needs to end. Tosh can say whatever the hell he likes, he even has an entire television show to say what he wants.

      What's happening here is people attacking me (and others in similar situations) for saying things like "Hey Tosh, you're 'joke' was fucked-up and unfunny" like that is trying to say "TOSH CAN NEVER SPEAK AGAIN!!!"

      Here's a Jezebel article on how rape can be incorporated into humor in an intelligent (and non-damaging) way http://bit.ly/OBFzpO

      People are perfectly fucking free to say whatever the hell they want, just like it's ok for me to say "Hey, fuck you, asshat" when they say shit I don't like.

      Notice how I haven't deleted a single comment on this page, no matter what anyone has anonymously written?

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    12. well if i wanted to be mean I could call you an "asshole". it means im being aggressive though (which i try not to be). it's ok to be angry, but i wouldn't recommend a life filled with anger.

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    13. I agree, the outrage fans have over people not liking a joke is often ridiculous. The way people have attacked you, and others who say similar things, is fucked up and ridiculously extreme. Criticism of Tosh is completely warranted. But the whole free speech in comedy vs. free speech in reactions to comedy is only the first, most basic layer of this whole controversy.

      There is good reason to take issue with how rape is treated in comedy, absolutely, but there's also good reason to take issue with certain reactions (even though both of these are completely fair, free speech wise), without being an asshole about it. As a fan of comedy, I do take issue with some feminist critiques of controversial jokes (though it fucking sucks to have most people on my side act exactly like the assholes they're made out to be). But saying that Rogan and his fans (though some of the fans deserve the insult) are actual rape apologists is being a bit too black and white about the whole issue I think.

      What many comedy fans react negatively to in feminist critiques is the idea that humor has an intrinsic link to real world sexual violence. Saying that it all plays into one massive rape culture, and that a comedian's jokes are part and parcel of the same problem as a legal authority ignoring a rape accusation, or a rapist committing a rape for that matter, seems unnecessarily extreme. Equating a reaction to a rape joke (laughter) with a reaction to a real rape is similarly extreme. Treating rape jokes as completely different from other trauma related jokes also seems problematic. Of course people are entitled to think or say those things about offensive humor and the audience that likes it, but labeling them/us all as misogynists across the board seems unproductive.

      I do sincerely appreciate that you haven't deleted anyone's comments.

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  11. Viva la RB! Rape culture or go fuck ya mother. P.S. there's this thing called the internet where not everyone necessarily agrees with your shitty viewpoints. Dealwithit.Dog

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    1. We must have solidarity in these trying times brother. We can allow the #femaleprivilege to push their #falserapeculture in this #matriarchy of a country.

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    2. The number of insane misogynists here are getting too damn high!

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  12. If I hear a joke about suicide, dead babies, rape, or homicide it doesn't make me think that any of those topics are less dark or "evil".. The jokes are usually so ridiculous that people don't even connect the joke with the reality of those actions/situations.

    People DO connect all of this feminist complaining with reality though.. Because you are talking stats and going deeper into the situation than a comedian would..

    If no one had posted anything online about what Tosh had said maybe a thousand people would have heard about that joke over time.. Instead, feminists and confused vegans had to take to the webz and spread the shit to millions of people.

    Feminists are contributing to "rape culture" by spreading every fucked up message they hear to as many people as they can.

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    1. Wait, so according to you, because rape culture exists and is everywhere (and it is), but doesn't get popular media coverage, it is actually reinforcing rape culture to talk about that fact.

      Your logic is self-contradictory and you are dumb.

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    2. Pretty funny hearing you talk about "rape culture" when you constantly call for the murder of individuals. Pretty pretty preeettaaaaay hypocritical.

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    3. You're against people defending themselves against rape by killing their attacker?

      Are you worried you might be on the reviving end of that?

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    4. exactly what I am talking about. because that person said that, that means they must be a rapist.

      that is a giant leap.

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  13. "Go die? That's ok? But if someone said "Go get raped" that is unacceptable.

    You are a silly person. You'll grow up though: don't worry you won be so immature & dumb all your life. : )

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  14. Lo, the parade of douchenozzlery marches on.
    @ comenters: Seriously, could a few of you pathetic dudebros/chillgirls not even take an hour to research the topics or even the fucking definitions of words before you rush to comment on them? You manage only to appear lazy, clueless and swimming in denial and the very rape culture you deny exists. Please kids, if you can't do your homework, stick to shooting spitwads at your pals at the back of the class instead of raising your hand to show us all how spectacularly ignorant you are. If you want a good look at casual misogyny and rape culture, just take a gander at yourselves.
    PS. @ Lauren: You just got a new fan for your blog.

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    1. Make that two fans. Fuck these haters, man.

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  15. Does no one understand the difference between "I hope you slip and fall" and "I hope another human being commits unwarranted violence against you?"

    If you're a rapist I hope one of your potential victims kills you. If you're a rape apologist and you live in a northern latitude I hope you slip on ice.

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  16. I hope you get surprise butt sex at some point in your life.

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    1. Tough AND clever. Good for you, sport.

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  17. This bitch fucked up is what happened. I was accused of "trying to rape" a chick back in the day. She came onto me and I turned her down, next thing I know she's running around telling people I tried to rape her. Fuck you that chick.

    Also, this blogger sounds like a really stuck up cunt. I hope the internet rapes your blog.

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  18. I was the first comment. seems pretty obvious that at least half(probably more) the messages on twitter, and here, that are directed at your or jamie kilstein are trolls. they are using irony to incite a reaction out of you.

    immediately calling joe or anyone who disagrees with the current mantra of feminism displays how ideological it has become. let's pretend it is a scientific theory. theories are open to criticism. if you don't agree with the entire premise, you aren't demonized. it seems feminism has become ideological. fundamentalists who cast wide nets in a black and white world.

    if i criticize the idea, how does that suddenly make me a rape apologist or a pro rape supporter? it feels like im having a conversation with a religious person when i say i don't believe in their god. it feels like im talking to the extreme right or extreme left of the political spectrum. demonizing opposing opinions doesn't seem rational to me.

    in the late 80s and early 90s, we had culture warriors saying music and art are causing violence, yet crime has been going down even though they are allowed.

    If i laughed at a racist joke on the chappelle show, does that make me racist? no. could it make a small percentage feel like it is ok to be that way? yes. is this because of hate culture? no. it's because some human beings are morons and they will continue to be morons no matter what the influence is.

    are scarface and 2 pac the sole reasons why inner city kids became involved in gang culture? no. there are a lot of factors. parenting. money. the education system. was the batman trilogy the cause of the aurora shooting? no. it was a trouble individual.

    try to be pragmatic. just because someone disagrees with your ideas doesn't make them hate women. im sick of the gender paradigm feminists constantly enforce instead of looking at people like individual persons. human beings.

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  19. Saying these comments are "jokes" or "irony" is ignorant, privileged bullshit. They are silencing tactics used against me and Kilstein and the girl who stood up to Tosh and virtually every other person (usually women) who speaks up about sexual assault (theirs or generally) or about rape culture.

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    1. I said most. some are seriously mad, some are trolling. How do you not expect someone's emotions to be raised if you are aggressive in the first place (basically calling people pro rape)? if you disagree with feminism, you try to fit your predisposed intellectual template on an individual. i try not to be ideological and take something for what it is. how do you not expect someone to get mad if you lump them in with rapists?

      I'm trying to have a conversation with you, but I can sense some sort of hostility to the way I think. treat people like people. you are enforcing gender stereotypes even though you think you are trying to fight them.

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    2. "privileged" is always hilarious when it comes from a little princesses mouth. You know how people actually feel bad for you when you have a bad day? #femaleprivilege People hold doors for you or help you pick stuff up? #femaleprivilege The fact you can say stuff like #maleprivilege and not be seen as a lunatic? #femaleprivilege How about the first one being saved in an emergency situation? #femaleprivilege The fact that people don't punch you in the face when you say something cunty or hit a guy #femaleprivilege Not having to pay for dinner, child support, alimony #femaleprivilege

      Get your shit straight and take responsibility for yourself instead of blaming men for all your problems. They do a shit ton in your favor and you seem to not even notice it in your self absorbed fantasy land you've created for yourself.

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    3. @Anon#1 - you are taking part in a tone argument. Google it if you have to. Basically you have no logical basis on which to fight the author's claim so you say she's being aggressive. She has every right to be fucking aggro, man - did you SEE the shit she's being sent? And you want her to not be angry? Fuck you. "I can't dispute what you said but I don't like how you said it" is fucking bullshit.

      @Anon#2 - You are too far gone to even engage in intelligent conversation. Do the planet a favor and discontinue your internet connection so we don't have to listen to the ramblings of your walnut-sized brain ever again.

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    4. Nice non-argument anon #3, anon #2 here (btw I know you are the blog writer, that's men's intuition for ya). How are those logical fallacies treating you, ad hominem much? Clear indicator of someone who has no rational argument against a valid point. Next time someone goes out of their way to help you because you have a pair of tits try to think about the #femaleprivilage.

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    5. anon#3- don't take the internet serious. you think im going to be mad about some rando's on the internet?

      i wish my twitterfeed had that type of action. id laugh my ass off. people cared enough to respond to me.

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  20. An article about how rape jokes can be funny, even from a feminist perspective.

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    1. http://www.thenation.com/blog/168856/anatomy-successful-rape-joke

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  21. If you say rape you raped someone.

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    1. WE MUST DEFEND OUR FREEZED PEACHES SO WE CAN SAY RAPE WHENEVER WE WANT! IF NOT FOR THE WORD RAPE I WOULD HAVE NO VOCABULARY RAPERAPERAPE

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  22. I love how you guys think you're being successful trolls when actually you're continually proving my point. It's synchronicity like this that really gives spark to otherwise dull afternoons at work.

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    1. you are proving my point. you are an ideological extremist. quit trying to demonize people. calling me ignorant is pretty rude tbh. does everything have to turn into this men vs women BS? look at people like people. throw gender aside.

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    2. Only your class and gender (and probably race) privilege allow you to say something like "throw gender aside."

      Do you know what it's like to have the world around you be hostile to your very existence? To tell you that at any moment you could become the victim of terrible violence merely because of your gender? Do you really understand the pervasive fear that comes with that?

      Let's just all tell non-whites in America's cities to "leave aside" their race, it's them focusing on racial issues that leads to cops brutalizing and murdering hundreds of young black men every year.

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    3. I can't be a human being and see people as a human being? why can't you view people as people?

      you immediately judge me by my class, race, AND gender. who is acting like the judgmental sexist now?

      anyone can be a victim of violence for whatever reason. looking at humans as individual beings a part of the human race is the only way to look at it. if you go off and try to dissect the reasons by race, gender, and class, you will become what you hate.

      shit, this is like telling billy graham i don't believe in god. he thinks im a part of the downfall of society. or telling paul ryan his plan is wrong, then im a big government liberal. or telling rachel maddow, i dont think we can do her form of government stimulus, suddenly im a radical right winger.

      i truly dislike all radical fundamentalists. have fun in crazy land.

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    4. Its not enough for you to be non-judgemental. You need to stop wearing those rose tinted glasses that makes you think that just because *you* aren't racist or sexist, the rest of the world is going to be the same. The comments here and the original tweet war prove that a lot of men have problems with accepting women as anything other than sexual objects, let alone equals. You may as well accept that there are assholes in the world. And that it's time to show these people that they *are* being assholes.

      If not, you're just another asshole with rose-tinted glasses, and an escapee from wonderland.

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  23. If I tell a man to shut the fuck up am I threatening to rape him?

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    1. No, you are then being an aggressive cunt because of which you will be raped by him and his friends at a later stage to show you your place. And when you report this crime to the police, the police'men' are most likely going to assume you are lying. Welcome to the world of women, btw.

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  24. you guys are making me think about rape way too much.

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  26. Guys, get it right. If she tells you to die it's ok because she is womyn, if you exist you are a rapist. It's not hard, we're just too dumb to understand.

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  27. I accidentally deleted an anon comment I was about to reply to, it stated: "In regards to your pdf. You're doing what Rogan did but taking it a step further. pretty pretty preeeettttaaaaay hypocritical."

    My response is this: No, idiot, it isn't. He's a big celebrity with many, many followers who unleashed at least a portion of them (you folks) to go after me. Many of you have said threatening things to me, or about women generally. Those tweets are public, I merely collected them for ease-of-use.

    What anyone does with that public information on a public website like twitter is not my concern.

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    1. Your refusal to accept reality and see how you are doing the things you admonish is pretty pretty preeeetttaaaaaayyyyyyy typical of a feminist.

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    2. if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. you wrote about this topic. Citing tweets and the Rogan Board itself. Did you not want responses? did you not want people reading this?

      what did you expect would happen after you threatened and wished harm on Rogan fans?

      please, ma'am, id like some more (threats)

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    3. this is pretty fair. thanks.

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    4. Dear Large RB... Your wish=my command.
      I'm absolutely confused by why these fuckwads are being sexist towards an anarchofeminist, as if solidarity as a weapon was a new thing.
      #fuckpatriarchy
      Let the games begin.

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    5. You people are very entertaining. You think I don't have at least a few friends who agree with me quite strongly? If you fucks can have a couple buddies you better believe I have dedicated supporters.

      They just know that blog comments are a hilarious waste of time. It's my blog so I'll respond to you idiots, but they're focusing on more...productive things.

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    6. Pretending her preachy vagina doesn't chase people away.

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  28. This blog is a bit too "rapey" for me.

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  29. whats your username on the Rogan Board? we have a requiremnt you need to meet if you will continue to post and steal our words....

    RBers know what im talkin bout

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    1. Like i'd tell you. And for your sake, hope we never meet irl.

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    2. wait wait wait wait.... you have a real RB account, or just one you used to snag comments off the board for your blog?

      and if you do really have an RB account, how can you browse those threads? I read a feminist list once that said if you look at pornography in which women are depicted, you are a rape supporter. RB is infested with porn, you couldn't be a member without being a rape supporter. I call bullshit.

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    3. And you continue to threaten people, only someone with #femaleprivilage can do that and get away with it. It becomes a habit. Kind of like how their non qualifications for jobs nurtured by having everything handed to them their entire youth leads them to think that people are discriminating against them when they aren't hired or given promotions.

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    4. lol female privilige. Isn't that the same as the tooth fairy i.e. non-existent?

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  30. If Tosh said "Wouldn't it be hilarious if five guys lynched this person" to a black audience member, his career would be dead, and I dare say even Joe Rogan would say Tosh didn't deserve a following after doing that.

    At some point the men responding to Michael Richards' "He's a nigger" act ceased to be hecklers to us. Watch the video, the 'hecklers' say some hurtful things, but we saw them as people; considered the shit they'd been through, and that for us superseded the importance of the Sacred Pulpit of Comedy. Jokes are just another way of communicating an idea. Rogan saw the flaw in using the word "Faggot", even if he didn't mean anything destructive by it, and he retired it from his act. Why can't that logic be applied to this?

    I think there's something messed up about the fact that lynching crossed a line for us, but we're defending gang rape jokes so hard that we're willing to devote our time to think of rape threats to throw at human beings just for identifying as a Feminist, an ideology it sounds like a lot of you have spent zero time actually looking into (guys, every Feminist I've engaged with sees men as valuable and beautiful parts of life. If you don't want to believe it, guess I can't help you).

    In the Klitstien podcast Rogan talked about the difference between words and actions. Tosh has had a segment on his show where he encouraged his viewers to tape themselves sneaking up behind women and touching their belly fat, and then send the video to him. Richards made a joke about an imagined scenario and we (rightfully) excommunicated him; for Tosh, actually assaulting women is part of his comedy, and so many people are devoting energy to defending that. If you don't at least appreciate where people might connect that to an idea about rape culture, my God your brain is lazy.

    I could only see myself defending Tosh if I was unaware of this, or if somewhere in me I didn't receive women as fully developed human beings like myself.

    Lauren is getting a lot of flak for alleged man hate, which is an assumption based on very little evidence. You don't know this person very well and neither do I. While I agree that it's unhelpful to tell people to fuck off and die, I have to ask why some folks on here are investing their time in pointing that out to Lauren, and not to one or two of the dozens of people who decided to send her rape/death threats on Twitter. I think where some of you are choosing to place your focus actually proves everything Lauren is saying. Next time someone has dozens of rape threats levied at them in one day, at least maybe wait a week or two before calling them a 'bitch lol'?

    Anyway, make that three new fans of this blog.

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  31. negged, stretched aaaaaannnnddd reported

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  32. "Take a moment for yourself to just look at what went down, and whether or not you'd feel the same way if I was your girlfriend, or your sister, or mother."

    Another example of #femaleprivilege. Would we feel the same about it happening to men? No. Because men go out of their way to protect women. But keep whining about how men are privileged when they bend over backwards to make sure you're ok.

    feminism = sexism get it straight, stop being such a self centered little princess, and become a humanist.

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    1. Protect my ass. Feminism is NOT equal to sexism and stop being such a misogynist prick. Sure men make sure you're okay by cracking rape jokes, assaulting you in public places, objectifying women and worst of all attacking a woman online *only* because she's a feminist.

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    2. Does protecting a woman only mean physically protecting her from the evils of the world? have you not heard about emotional trauma? Social stigma? mental abuse? Do women not need protection from all that as well? Why does the very mention of the word "feminism" affect you guys like the holy water will affect dracula? You seriously believe feminism hasnt achieved anything? Do you know 100's of years ago in the Indian subcontinent widows were burned alive with the bodies of their dead husbands just to prove their loyalty and that horrendous act came to an end due to a revolution that is called "feminism"? There are thousands of things wrong with this world and therefore there are thousands of groups who work hard to make the world a better place. Feminism just happens to be one of those issues. Get over it.

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  33. How paradoxical is it that a group of dozens of men have dedicated many hours of their lives to harassing a woman on the internet and you can say a stupid generality like "men go out of their way to protect women. But keep whining about how men are privileged when they bend over backwards to make sure you're ok."

    Are you really so stupid that you can't see that your statements are totally inane and contradictory?

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    1. you do not understand the internet obviously. if you see a passionate person on the internet, then they are an easy troll target. happens to everyone. you think men don't get trolled or something? open up your perspective. it isn't all about women.

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    2. Because I only got my twitter account and my blog last night and have never encountered the internet before.

      Not all trolling is just trolling. There is context here that is quite obvious to all involved if they actually want to acknowledge it.

      I said (and continue to say) positive statements about feminism, against rape culture, patriarchy and silencing tactics. Because I have said these things I am best by dozens of people calling me all kinds of names, making threats, and generally being fuckwads.

      Calling me a bitch or a cunt is a gendered attack. Notice how none of my insults are gender-based?

      If this were a blog about basketball, and my gender were unknown (or assumed male) would the response be the same? Would all of this be happening? 99.9999999% chance that it wouldn't be.

      When a woman speaks out, and then has a veritable mob of men attack her for a full 36 hours--attack her appearance, her intelligence, her right to speak, her validity as a human, to make violent threats/jokes/fantasies--then it becomes an issue about that feminism speaks to. What's happened with my twitter and this blog post is exactly the type of shit people are talking about when they talk about "Rape Culture." How do you guys not see that?

      A few of you seem like people who just honestly don't know--which isn't surprising, since these issues aren't really things you have to worry about or deal with yourselves, being (predominantly) cisgendered white dudes.

      But the vast majority of you are super-mega-assholes who are hiding behind the concept of "jokes" or "messing with folk on teh interwebs" because the things I (or Jamie Kilstein or any feminist) say threaten your ego and your self-perception in a way you can't deal with like emotionally healthy people

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    3. so you are the first person to ever get trolled on twitter? of course they use those words because they know it will make you mad. you think people don't get trolled because of a stupid political tweet?

      you are an ideologue. no better than michelle bachman. joel olstein. l ron hubbard. Christopher hitchens. ted nugent and the nra. you and your cult are a nutcases.

      you NEED to apply your abstract ideas that have never left academia and apply them to the real world. you deny any criticism, and while doing this, you say you are correct (without any challenges) simply because you believe you are. it makes zero sense from a scientific point of view.

      pull your head out of your ass and check your ego.

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    4. im leaving and going back to moderate land where I'm 1/7billion PEOPLE. it's impossible to argue with ideologues.

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    5. "exactly the type of shit people are talking about when they talk about "Rape Culture." How do you guys not see that?"

      I think, and this is kinda the point, that people absolutely do see it, and are purposefully playing into it, ya know, for teh lulz and what not. They know that you hate rape culture, you've told them things that you think perpetuate it, they want to make you mad, they'll post those things and play right into it. You've certainly mentioned it enough times now that even if they didn't know at first, they certainly do at this point.

      Is it at all funny to anyone that feminists set up their understanding of rape culture in such a way that if someone were to say "I'm skeptical about this whole 'rape culture' idea," even in a respectful, halfway intelligent way, they're (absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt) proving rape culture? Very handy to have an idea that no one can even possibly refute/debate/so much as mention without proving it.

      Inb4 feminist magic buzzword that roughly describes this sort of argument (because it's an obvious one to make against a pretty massive hole in one of their main tenets) which makes it argumentatively sound to just dismiss the point entirely.

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    6. Lol you think men don't get called bitch and cunt. Come back down to earth princess. You're being called a cunt because you're acting like a cunt with your generalizations and death threats. I was actually nice to you on twitter and tried to engage in a healthy debate and you threatened my life because of it. Murder is worse than rape. Feminism is a bane on society like the KKK or the black panthers. It is a group bent on pushing the agenda of a gender with no regard to the rest of humanity, in fact there is a lot of hate thrown at the other gender. You need to stop thinking you need special treatment because you are a woman, because all you are going to get back is resentment. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps like the rest of the human race and deal with it. There will be no pity parades for you on this day, you made your bed. If a man did the same thing as you, you feminists would have websites devoted to him by now.

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    7. you shouldnt generalize about all the replies being attacks. you shouldnt generalize about rape. you shouldnt generalize all rogan fans. you shouldnt generalize all feminists. you shouldnt generalize opinions.

      and then get mad when people get mad about being a generalization.




      im high, did that make sense? lol dont you dare generalize stoners next

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    8. In general I loled.

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  34. I'm a guy & I've seen very little of this "rape culture" with me & any guys I know.

    If anything I am overly polite & I respect women.

    I think there seems to be a rape culture in Africa if you look that shit up.

    In the US Men are just as objectified as woman are for their looks. As far as men being a threat your position seems totally over blown & exaggerated.

    You are a tad paranoid. Sure there are creeps but do your best to steer clear of them, stop thinking like a victim & you will probably be fine.

    I know a lot of strong, assertive women that I respect who take personal responsibility for their lives & dont play the perpetual victim.

    Don't worry, I think when you grow up you will mature & feel more empowered.

    Good luck!




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    1. Again, if you are polite to women, stop behaving like a 10 year old and assume the world behaves the same way. This blog alone is enough evidence that women are attacked by men either verbally, physically or emotionally if they stand up for their beliefs. And just to let you know, that last line of yours is extremely patronizing considering you're the one who is childish and immature enough to think that the rape culture doesn't exist.

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  35. Still IRRESPONSIBLY claiming, essentially, that Rogan was dismissing or even promoting rape. It had a scintilla of what the argument was about. To throw that at a man with a wife and two daughters is heinous. & I'm personally sick of thi constant argument that rape is bad. DUH(?!)...some people accept this and move on to more nuanced topics, like censhorship and what creates a rapist (2 Major Rogan points in this and other casts)...

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  36. I respectfully disagree with your blog, and will add that it is on the same level as responding to youtube comments.

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  37. I admire this woman's balls & that she didn't delete any comments.

    She has a few valid points but undermines them & leaves herself to be mocked & ridiculed by vastly overstating this so called rape culture. She acts like a first year college student. All her opinions are strictly academic.

    She doesn't see Rape Culture in her sheltered, all white, college educated, vegan circle.

    She's reading feminist rhetoric that is meant to further a political agenda not reflect reality.

    She's playing a victim. She's not taking responsibility for herself & she is not empowering herself. She probably comes from a privileged & sheltered background so she is inexperienced yet entitled & arrogant.

    In other words she doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about. Yet. She's incredibly immature. Shel will grow up one day.

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    1. oh, this guy is good~

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    2. Please, tell me more about my personal history, since you obviously experienced my life in far greater detail.

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  38. The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

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  39. It's hard to speak truth to power, Five by Five. Thank you for doing it. Reading your blog entry was great (a bit late, I just came across it today), but the comments section was disheartening (an understatement). I realized towards the end that the whole comment section serves as a metaphor for the broader rape culture. You have the angry troll men screaming "fuckyoubitch, shutthefuckupcunt, hopeyougetrapedyoustupidfeminazi..." etc etc etc for pushing back against clear misogynist BS. Then, a few male (or at least male-identified) authority figures come around and tell you that you were clearly asking for it, you had it coming, what did you expect? They follow that up by reinforcing those age-old sexist comments about irrationality, the lack of importance of what you're talking about, your lack of knowledge, all while obscuring male privilege and not mentioning that by every objective indicator possible, men yield enormous amounts of political and cultural power in the US (pay scale, sex of those in political office, rates of domestic violence and sexual assault, even who/what wins Oscars).

    The most recent quote, to me, is the equivalent of a man telling a female waitress to "Smile, you'll be so much prettier, and life isn't that serious."

    Let's clear up a few other misconceptions: Sorry dudebros, but holding a fucking door open for a woman is NOT EQUALITY and it sure the FUCK ain't matriarchy. Also, the primary barrier to male sexual assault victims seeking help is NOT WOMEN. It is OTHER MEN. Do men experience oppression in our society? Certainly, but not by virtue of being men. Rather, the source of that oppression is their class, race, ability, sexual orientation, and/or nationality in a patriarchal system in which men compete with other men. Finally, "humanist" has been thrown around a bit too much. That word doesn't mean what you think it means. There are millions of humanists out in the world, and many of them are feminists as well. See iheu.org, or, even better, GO READ A FUCKING BOOK.

    Keep fighting the good fight, Five by Five!

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  40. Jesus... I know that every time a woman has the temerity to talk about rape on the internet, the Testosterone Patrol gangs up to take her down and stop her saying mean words (because they believe in free speech or something - the message is a little fuzzy) but it still sickens me every time.

    What never stops being funny is the sincere belief many of them hold that this misogynistic hatefest will actually convince people that the feminists are totally wrong and rape culture and misogyny totally aren't a big deal.

    Honestly, "I deny the existence of rape cultuire, and I will threaten you with rape to try to make you stop talking about it" must have the highest frequency-to-logic ratio of any popular argument ever employed in the history of human rhetoric. (Infinity to zero is a proper ratio, right?)

    Five by Five, I admire your guts. It takes incredible courage for a woman to speak out online and let the abuse roll in uncensored to prove a point. I wish you all the good fortune in the world, and I also hope that everyone who threatened you with harm dies in a fucking fire.

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  41. I am appalled at the level of arrogant self righteousness and unwavering defense of misogyny from my transatlantic friends.

    The word and defence of "censorship" has so very clearly been warped over the years and now stands to resemble no purpose other than to defend this sort of sophomoric behaviour.

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  42. I sympathize with you for taking hits from ignorant assholes who just don't get that it's part of a mentality that keeps women down.
    If any "LOVED" female in a man's life, suffered a rape would he still think the jokes were just that, jokes? Would he still laugh at rape jokes after visiting that woman in the hospital and seeing her after she was violated in the worst way imaginable? Go ahead and try to tell me it's JUST a joke and to relax.
    Sadly I have had to hold someone I love after her rape by some sick fuck and tell her that she was still beautiful and as important as ever.
    Why is it so hard for people to understand that it just isn't something that should be made light of in any way because it contributes to a mindset that makes women appear to be less than men. That mindset contributes to an overall behavior by too many males that believe women to be lesser than men. Try telling your Mom she is less than you are and that it's worth a laugh if she were to be raped tough guy!

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    1. I like Louis CK's paedophile joke. Your criticism of him, the social implications of his levity and an explanation for why you've said nothing about this until prompted, please.
      Oh look, it's almost as though there's a reason the word "joke"matters.

      Could we speed this up so we can get on to discussing how many people Bruce Willis has killed in his career and why mass murderers enjoy such popular acclaim in current culture.

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    2. thank you BigScary bob, i have been reading the other comments, and they are all hateful and disgusting. People need to be less negative and get a life besides bulling others. Thank you for being a reasonable person, that does not enjoy making fun of a human being being violently forced to have sex against their will witch leaves them broken and traumatized. Yes, thats right, anyone who thinks rape jokes are funny, you are dumb assholes. you deserved that insult, and if you think you didn't, dont start complaining, because at least you are not experiencing the traumatic aftermath of being raped, you assbutts.

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  43. You have a new fan in me as well. It's obvious and sad when someone's fans are forced to legitimize rape to protect their celebrity. I don't know who Joe Rogan is or Mr. Kilstein but I will be looking him up to give my support as well. I grew up a white middle class princess and that didn't protect me from a boy at school hitting me holding me down and taking my virginity. My father told me I was asking for it. My mother wanted to pretend it didn't happen. He assaulted 15 more girls before the school expelled him. No charges were ever filed. Tell me again about how opening my car door makes me privileged. Tell me when the blood gushes out of a hole of yours after someone bends you over how this isn't about gender. 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted. 400,000 rape kits are currently sitting in storage that no one ever even bothered to test. Some are up to 20 years old. Does this lack of interest happen with any other crime? Women are raped and told by judges that it was because of her skirt. So a quarter of women assaulted Tosh makes a joke that could cause nightmares for about an eighth of his audience and this woman gets threatened for pointed out that's bad. Who are the ideologues here really?

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  44. "So Joe Rogan obviously knew what was going to happen when he retweeted my mild criticism".

    So Twitter User X already knew what was going to happen when she tweeted me.Seriously. What kind of mittens do you need delivered?

    You know what I'm not going to do today? Not insert myself into an argument between 2 professionals in a field I'm not involved in myself, then complain about the flack I receive for inserting myself in that.
    Kind of fkn obvious why, eh?

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  45. Thanks for this blog entry.

    You know, even though it pisses me off to read comments from those who defend rape jokes and react angrily to the term "rape culture", when I step back and look at the big picture I'm glad to see all this going on. I'm a firm believer in the Gandhi quote, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". We are firm in the fight/laugh phase right now.

    When I was younger, shit like this was totally ignored and dismissed outside of academia. I'm glad that those who would defend/deny rape culture are getting pissed. That means they're listening, and that they realize they no longer have the luxury of silent complicity. They can't just dismiss their opponents anymore -- now they actually have to put words to their defense of rape culture. All that's left to do is just give them enough rope...they'll continue to hang themselves.

    And we'll continue to fight. Fuckin' A.

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  46. I'm not sure what's a feminist, and will be reading that up. But I do know that I'm sick of men presuming you're inferior in driving, in mechanics, in logic, in academia, in intelligence, just because you're a female. My vagina has nothing to do with these skill sets. I'm sick of men pretending rape culture doesn't exist. I'm sick of people objectifying women. And the above comments attacking the OP for expressing her opinion shows me just how much we need to change public perception towards women - both by men and women.

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